I have written everything that I care to about the subject. It is getting the point of stupidity. So, I am done with it.
Go read all that nonsense here.
It is enough to make someone want to quit blogging honestly. 🙄
I have written everything that I care to about the subject. It is getting the point of stupidity. So, I am done with it.
Go read all that nonsense here.
It is enough to make someone want to quit blogging honestly. 🙄
Well, I thought it was funny! 😉 😛
The Hill reports:
The Energy and Commerce Committee will resume its markup of healthcare legislation Wednesday afternoon under a deal between Blue Dogs and House leaders, but there will be no floor vote on the legislation before August.
Delaying a vote until after August was a key demand of the Blue Dogs, along with reducing the cost of the bill by $100 billion and allowing states to create health “co-ops” that would compete with the government-run “public option” and private insurers.
White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel was in the negotiations speaking for President Obama.
“We cut the cost of the bill, delayed a floor vote and ensured that the public option will not be forced on anyone,” said Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.) who has led the negotiations for the Blue Dogs. “Members will have time to go home to talk to their constituents and actually read the bill.”
Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) said he plans to finish the markup by Friday, the day Congress is scheduled to adjourn.“We cut the cost of the bill, delayed a floor vote and ensured that the public option will not be forced on anyone,” said Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.) who has led the negotiations for the Blue Dogs. “Members will have time to go home to talk to their constituents and actually read the bill.”
Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) said he plans to finish the markup by Friday, the day Congress is scheduled to adjourn.
“That is my expectation and hope,” Waxman said.
A couple things come to mind. I am glad that the Blue Dogs talked the rest of those pinheads out of forcing people to take the public option; that bothered me greatly. I figured that the “forcing someone” bit would never make it to the final bill. Because the Democrats know that killing off Private industry, whatever it might be would not be in their best interests. (Despite what Sean Hannity might say about that…. 😉 😛 ) Those people up on Capitol Hill might act dumb; at times, but in reality they know fully that private industry is the backbone of America.
This is not to say that there are not some far lefty socialists in the Democratic Party; there are plenty of them. Only difference between those idiots and the Communists in Russia are the party name and the language accents. However, I am happy to know that there are some moderates still in that party. Now, do I think this bill will pass? That is a good question. I believe that there is going to be some push back, among the far left in the Democratic Party, especially from the netroots people who want a single payer health-care system. Which I feel personally is an unreasonable goal, as I feel it would bankrupt the Nation.
I also know very well, that there is going to be a massive push by the far right types to kill this bill off entirely. Whether they succeed or not, is another story. It is important to note that the forcing language was stripped out and some state ran alternatives are being introduced. Some still may not like this, but I tend to believe the wind will go out of sails of those who were fiercely opposed to the plan.
I am just happy that they put the thing off till August and are actually are going to read the bill. That my friends is PROGRESS! 😀 😛 😉
Further Proof that Liberals are just terminally dumb.
First thoughts: Losing the message war? – First Read – msnbc.com
Perhaps the biggest thing that stood out to us at President Obama’s AARP town hall yesterday was that the White House appears to be losing the message war on health care. How do we know? Just listen to the questions the AARP callers had. Several of them asked about “rumors,” and they also brought up GOP talking points on “rationing” or the government coming to your house to ask how you want to die (!!!). Also, Obama’s closing statement at the town hall was particularly telling. “Sometimes I get a little frustrated because this is one of those situations where it’s so obvious that the system we have isn’t working well for too many people and that we could just be doing better,” he said. “We’re not going to have a perfect health care system; it’s a complicated system, there are always going to be some problems out there. But we could be doing a lot better than we’re doing right now.”
MSNBC is a shill for the Democratic Party. This is totally evident by this posting and it title. Losing the message war? That implies that the American people are stupid and that the White House has to make it simple. Sorry guys, that is just insulting; which is why I do not watch your Network any longer. The fact is that most rational thinking Americans want affordable Health-care; but most sane rational thinking Americans do not want Government run Healthcare. Because they know that Government ran Health-care will result a terrible Health-care for the folks. It will maan rationing of medicine. It will mean a loss of our true American freedom to choose which doctor you can go to. It will mean the Government will tell you that you just need to die; all to save money. Impressed so far?
President Barack Obama is a far left socialist President and he wants Government ran Health-care. The folks do not want this and now the President is ticked off; because we Conservatives know the truth about his Communist modeled program, and we have been informing the people of the truth. This is upsetting the President and his socialist minions, who are on an agenda to destory America. Plus, the Blue Dogs in his own damned party are standing up and saying, “Whoa, Wait a minute here!” That is because they know that our Nation’s economy is in the stinking toilet and they know that this sort of institutionalized Healthcare will a disaster for our Nation’s Economy; and they do not want to painted as the Party that destroyed Americans Economy.
Now, I know what some Moonbat liberal is thinking reading this. —- “That guy is most likely rich and can afford his own health-care…” If I were as rich as some have a accused me of being on this blog. I would retire now and live high on the proverbial hog. Guys, I have less than $100.00 in my checking account right now. This Blog is my living. I have NO HEALTH-CARE INSURANCE AT ALL! But do I want to start taking Governmental Healthcare insurance? Hell No! Because for one, I do not want some Government appointed panel deciding what sort of treatments or care that I should get. I believe in the private markets! Two; I really understand how Government works and how SLOW it can be and how terrible the healthcare system is for the Vets, and for those on Medicaid and Medicare. Plus I have, unlike this Rich Limousine Liberals, I have actually went to the secretary of State office, during the week. Ever do that before? That will be what Government health-care will be like.
Hopefully, this bill will die and Congress and hopefully President Obama will, to use a liberal Phrase; Move on.

Now this is funny!
TheHill.com – Waters warns Blue Dogs to beware in 2010
Liberal frustration started to boil over in the House on Tuesday as negotiations over healthcare reform with centrist Blue Dog Democrats dragged into a second week.
The delay prompted Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) to lash out at the Blue Dogs as hypocritical and even hint that more liberal Democrats might challenge them in primaries.
“On the one hand they don’t want to spend money, but on the other hand they want to spend money when it benefits them or their district,” Waters said on MSNBC, referring to Blue Dogs’ demand to increase Medicare reimbursements for rural physicians.
Seven Blue Dogs on the House Energy and Commerce Committee have effectively blocked the panel from working on the bill for more than a week, saying it’s too expensive and puts too much of a burden on small employers.
Asked if she would recruit more liberal candidates to run against Blue Dogs, Waters said, “That’s normally not done.”
But she added: “There may be people out there listening and observing all of this who may get motivated based on what they’re seeing and throw their hat into the ring.”
What stupid liberal Maxine Waters does not realize; is that the Blue Dog Democrats are there for that very reason, because they are “Blue Dog Democrats!” In words, the only reason why they were elected is because they were so Conservative, that the people felt comfortable electing them. In other words, they are the Democratic Party’s version of RINO’s or Democrats In Name Only or DINO’s. If the Democratic Party decided to do something foolish like run some extremely liberal Democrat in that district; the Republican Party would absolutely annihilate them!
You would think that someone like Maxine Waters would know something like this. But then again, we are talking about Liberal Democrats.
Others: QandO

This is more of that Far-Left Liberal Politics at work:
Via CNN:
The White House has criticized the Congressional Budget Office’s findings that the Obama administration’s proposal to control Medicare costs would yield a moderate savings of $2 billion over the next decade.
White House Budget Director Peter Orszag said the CBO’s analysis — which it relayed to House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer on Saturday — could feed a perception of the office’s bias toward “exaggerating costs and underestimating savings.”
“The point of the proposal … was never to generate savings over the next decade,” Orszag said in a letter posted on Saturday.
“Instead the goal is to provide a mechanism for improving quality of care for beneficiaries and reducing costs over the long term.”
CBO Director Doug Elmendorf’s letter to Hoyer on Saturday was in response to the Senate Majority Leader’s request for analysis on “possible approaches for giving the President broad authority to make changes in the Medicare program,” Elmendorf wrote.
The Obama administration is touting a proposal to give a medical advisory council the power to help decide the scope of coverage that would be eligible for reimbursement under Medicare.
Administration officials say the proposed “Independent Medicare Advisory Council” would both improve health care quality and control costs. Some health care industry groups object to the proposal, saying such a council would not be qualified to make those judgments.
The CBO’s review of the proposal found that “the probability is high that no savings would be realized … but there is also a chance that substantial savings might be realized,” Elmendorf wrote.
“Looking beyond the 10-year-budget window, CBO expects that this proposal would generate larger but still modest savings on the same probabilistic basis.”
Orszag, a former director of the CBO, pointed out that “it is very rare for CBO to conclude that a specific legislative proposal would generate significant long-term savings so it is noteworthy that, with some modifications, CBO reached such a conclusion with regard to the IMAC (Independent Medicare Advisory Council concept.”
But he also criticized Elmendorf’s findings.
“As a former CBO director, I can attest that CBO is sometimes accused of a bias toward exaggerating costs and underestimating savings. Unfortunately, parts of today’s analysis from CBO could feed that perception,” Orszag said.
“In providing a quantitative estimate of long-term effects without any analytical basis for doing so, CBO seems to have overstepped.”
Just another attack from a worried White House, who wants their agenda passed, no matter the cost to the people or to our Nation.
Some Reactions from the Conservative Blogosphere:
With this letter CBO has killed the President’s IMAC proposal. It almost certainly would have died even without CBO’s letter. The proposal would have transferred an enormous amount of power from Congress to the Executive Branch. Turf-conscious Congressional committee chairmen would have fought it to protect their power base. Medicare provider interest groups (hospitals, doctors) were starting to lobby against it. They prefer Congress making these decisions because they’re easier to lobby and influence.
The only chance IMAC had was if CBO had said it would save gobs of money, allowing House leaders simultaneously to make Blue Dogs happy for being fiscally responsible, and to remove from their bill other, more politically painful, spending cuts or tax increases. IMAC was drafted so weakly that it became a budget gimmick.
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Yes, the Administration could submit a fundamentally different proposal and call it a “tweak” of their existing one. To achieve the stated goals of bending the government health cost curve down and reducing future deficits, such a proposal would need to actually cut spending in an enforcable and unavoidable way. If they want to throw in a new council to shuffle money around within the mandated lower levels, that’s a separable question. The President’s advisors know, however, that a proposal like this with real teeth would never get off the ground in Congress. That’s too bad, because we desperately need the long-term deficit reduction.
The death of IMAC is a black eye for the Administration and another step backward for the pending health care reform bills. This result was both predictable and avoidable.
In a Hot Air exclusive, I contacted Chuck Blahous of the Hudson Institute, formerly the deputy director of George Bush’s National Economic Council about the open and aggressive attack on the CBO from Orszag and the White House. Blahous finds it unseemly:
“It’s routine for OMB and CBO to have scoring differences. It’s also routine for the two agencies to separately acknowledge, explain and quantify them. What’s not routine is for each to overtly criticize the other. This is a bad road to go down in any case, but even more so because OMB probably has the glass house here. Institutionally, they’re just different; CBO is purely a referee, while OMB is part referee, part player because they’re part of the President’s policy development team. Moreover, OMB’s February budget presentation attracted a lot of justified criticism for its economic assumptions and for moving various deficit-expanding policies into the budget baseline. Furthermore, most of the claims about long-term cost savings from health care reform have been purely speculative, with no data from the actuaries to back them up. Still, I don’t expect CBO to hit back and to criticize OMB scoring, nor should they. Hopefully folks will walk back and cooler heads will prevail.”
Orszag has been an embarrassment as OMB director, and now he’s becoming dangerous to the separation of powers between the branches of government. Either Obama should put Orszag on a leash, or get rid of him immediately — and find a real budget director, not just a liberal-agenda hack.
Steve Gilbert over at Sweetness and Light:
It’s hard to puzzle it out from this article, but this is an extension of Obama’s efforts to wrest control of Medicare/Medicaid reimbursements away from Congress so that he can call the shots.
And, despite what Mr. Orszag now claims, that was and is touted as a way to bring about tremendous savings.
Congress asked the CBO’s opinion, since they want to keep this power for themselves.
Needless to say, it should be nigh unto impossible for the CBO to predict whether the Obama people would raise or lower the reimbursement levels.
So naturally they tried to have it both ways:
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And still the White House slammed them.
William A. Jacobson at Legal Insurrection:
What a pathetic joke the Democratic legislative effort has become. Loss of freedom and no meaningful cost savings. The opposite of “you get what you pay for.”
As Rahm Emanuel and Henry Waxman push to have a vote next week, it is clear that neither the Congress nor the White House has any clue as to the consequences of what they are proposing (if they even have read it). All the more reason we need to see the bill, debate it, and let our representatives know how we feel before they vote.
So give double thanks this weekend. First, for the CBO not giving in to political pressure. And second, for the fact that the CBO works on Saturdays.
I cannot say that I honestly disagree with that. This whole thing is a page right out of Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals. It also could be a page out of the old Clinton playbook as well. What you cannot change or control; you contain it by discrediting it. If you cannot do that, then kill it. Just ask Vice Foster‘s family about that. Come to think of it, there are quite a few families that could be asked about that. Conspiracy theories? You decide.
Hope! Change! Intimadation! Discrediting of your Enemies! All just another day in the Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama.
This comes via NY Gathering of Eagles:
Quotes:
ACORN and their new front group Act Now were pwned by Tea Party Patriots again on Long Island!
When they couldn’t win their arguments with facts, the ACORN employees tried to intimidate the Tea Party folks. No way that could work with dedicated Patriots! So ACORN cut and run when the going got tough, and repeated that sorry performance twice in one day.
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I’m no reporter so bear with me. Today I felt the same pride inside me matching the feeling I get whenever I read of our Founding Fathers’ activism. It might sound over exaggerated, but it doesn’t change how I feel. Today we scored a victory some may see as trivial, I see as momentous. Either way as a patriot it is overwhelming. Today I witnessed and participated in seeing ‘grass-roots folk’ come together in an instant and square off with, as of yesterday, an unchallenged foe in our cause-ACORN. We arrived at King Kullen this morning in Commack and as planned found ACORN petitioners signing up unaware patrons of the shopping center coming and going. They were asking people to sign a petition favoring Obama’s Health Care plan. We were there to give the other side and people listened.
ACORN produced four ‘workers’ we amassed 40 patriots complete with signs, banners, flyers, stickers, posters and a few loud voices.
ACORN 4 – Patriots 40.
I was told they were ‘workers’ for the organization We-Can(?) We were the people on the street giving up a beautiful warm Saturday morning to be heard.
I once read that 1 man defending his home is worth 20 paid mercenaries sent to destroy it. Believe it.
ACORN being outnumbered, out voiced and literally out debated left the area in a hurry. We followed.
After receiving communication that they fled to Stop and Shop in Bohemia 40+ patriots showed up and overwhelmed them there too. What a sight. Again ACORN took flight. They didn’t know how to react other then demanding we leave. We demanded an equal moment of time to discuss the meat and potatoes of the Obama health Care plan, they refused and retreated. I witnessed many passersby refusing to sign their petition; one even scratched their name off the list after we spoke to them. Almost every person I encountered was interested and I was relieved as almost all agreed with us. There was a little drama when a passerby vehemently argued for the plan, it was contentious but that’s liberty and democracy at work.
The only news agency seen was a local group from Alternative News based here on LI. The police were on scene, but remained out of the way as we did our own policing and respecting of the peace.
Score this a huge victory. I hope this inspires everyone to get up and get off the side-lines. You want change, than be silent no more! Silence is another form of consent, don’t be silent-don’t consent.
Known organizations present and represented: Campaign for Liberty, CSA, 9/11 Glenn Beck group, and resistnet.com by me. Others were ordinary people who heard last night and dropped their plans and showed up. What a moment.
Ever notice what color them liberal acorn thugs were?
The reason I bring this up is because real White Liberals are not the ones who will run out into the trenches and do the dirty work. They let their resident useful idiots get out there do the hard work; African-Americans! Sort of a 21 century plantation operation. Why do they do this? Because the Democratic Party, has been using the African-American vote since the 1960’s. To do this, they employ people like Al Sharpton to keep stirring the waters of Racial hatred toward the white people; to somehow convince them that the “White Man” is keeping them down.
You would think that they could have at least come a bit more prepared than this though.
Hope! Change! Intimidation! The Brave New World under the Faux Post Racial President. President Bambi Teleprompter!
Others: Gateway Pundit
Do you think that maybe NOW Obama will understand why the blue dogs revolted?
For the second time this month, congressional budget analysts have dealt a blow to the Democrat’s health reform efforts, this time by saying a plan touted by the White House as crucial to paying for the bill would actually save almost no money over 10 years.
A key House chairman and moderate House Democrats on Tuesday agreed to a White House-backed proposal that would give an outside panel the power to make cuts to government-financed health care programs. White House budget director Peter Orszag declared the plan “probably the most important piece that can be added” to the House’s health care reform legislation.
But on Saturday, the Congressional Budget Office said the proposal to give an independent panel the power to keep Medicare spending in check would only save about $2 billion over 10 years- a drop in the bucket compared to the bill’s $1 trillion price tag.
“In CBO’s judgment, the probability is high that no savings would be realized … but there is also a chance that substantial savings might be realized. Looking beyond the 10-year budget window, CBO expects that this proposal would generate larger but still modest savings on the same probabilistic basis,” CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf wrote in a letter to House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer on Saturday.
via CBO deals new blow to health plan – Chris Frates – POLITICO.com.
The Blue Dog Democrats revolted on this stupid plan, because they know; what the majority of clear-thinking Americans know. That the Nation’s Economy is in the Toilet and is not expected not to get any better anytime soon. The passing of this Health-care Bill and the Nationalization of our Health-care system is going to sooner or later drive America into Bankruptcy. The Blue Dog Democrats know this, they are not under the spell of hope and change, like Obama wants them to be. In other words, they are not drinking the Kool-Aid on the Obamassiah.
One trillion dollars and The economy is at it worst since the 1980’s? Is this President serious?
I think the President and the Democratic Party need to seriously reconsider what they are attempting to do here. Because if they do not, this country may just end with a one party system after the damage is all done. Some Republicans might be thrilled at the prospect of the total and complete destruction of the Democratic Party; but I would not be thrilled at all. Why?
I will tell you why, because, like Bill O’Reilly; believe that a two-party system in this Country is important. I believe, personally, that neither of these parties; Republican Party or The Democratic Party have all of the answers. There is good and bad in both of them, and because of this, I believe that the Democratic Party is about to do one of the stupidest an horrific overreaches in many years. It was attempted in Clinton Administration and it failed, and now it is about to be attempted again. This time, it will be a disaster.
Somebody up there on Capital Hill needs have some clear thinking and really seriously consider what might become of the Democratic Party, should this blow up in their faces. Because I have a feeling that this all is going to get much uglier, before it gets any better.
Others: RedState, Weekly Standard, theblogprof, Betsy’s Page, Cold Fury, Economix, PrairiePundit, Hot Air and The Hill
So my hope is that we never have to have that stand-up. But I’m certainly willing and ready for the fight if this administration continues to try to force their very expansive government philosophy down our collective throats.
Read all about it; right here.
Looks like Barack Obama’s biggest problem is not going to be the Republicans. But rather people from his own party.
This should be very interesting. Because if Waxman does what he is saying he wants to do. I can assure you, that there will be an epic battle in Congress to wrestle control away from Pelosi and the far left leadership.
Should be interesting to follow.
A victory, albeit a minor one:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said today that the Senate would not attempt to pass sweeping health care reform until after returning from the August recess.
“It’s better to get a product that’s based on quality and thoughtfulness than on trying to just get something through,” Reid told reporters.
Reid said the Senate would try to complete a package in the fall.
Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin said Wednesday that he expected that a bill would not be passed before the upper chamber breaks for recess on August 7.
“All this is no surprise to anyone,” Reid said.
Reid also said that the Senate Finance Committee’s long-awaited markup would be completed before the August 7 date.
Reid said Republicans, who have shown intense resistance to President Obama’s push for health care reform, had asked for more time to work out a package.
“We will do what we can to make sure their concerns are not buried,” Reid said.
via Reid: Health care won’t happen before recess – Politico.com.
So, it looks like the President’s little dog and pony show last night was all for naught. Instead of forcing the hand of Congress; Obama succeeded in making himself look like quite the jackass, in front of the American people. Instead of Obama pushing his Healthcare plan; Obama just played the game of trying to reassure the American people. Which, in this writers opinion failed; because he simply dealt in generalities, instead of specifics.
Seems to me that President Obama believes that the entire Democratic Party is just going to roll over and allow this Healthcare bill to pass unchallenged. It just does not work that way. The entire Democratic Party, is just not sold on the idea of President Obama’s far left socialism. The Blue-Dogs as they are called, still believe in free market values. They are just not going to swallow Obama’s agenda; just because he is black. This was the fatal flaw in the Obama strategy, thinking that he was going to get his way; and if anyone tried to block it, he would play the race card. It worked during the campaign, but it will not work in Washington D.C.; because the Blog Dogs just are not that stupid.
If the Blue Dogs are going to be convinced to pass something like this, they will have to be told how, in very specific terms, this Healthcare program is going to be paid for. So far, Obama has not given that. Only simple generalities; that will not fly with the Blue Dog Democrats at all.
I will continue to cover this interesting little story. Because I want to see what strategy that the Obama Administration employs. I can tell you, that if the Obama Administration tries to employ the “race card”, there could be some backlash from that as well. Because some in the Democratic Party just do not buy into that whole, “Play the card, if you’re losing the argument” strategy. It could cost Obama in poll numbers and possibly in 2012, should he decide to run again.
Update: You can read the round up of opinions on Memeornadum